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    Mers 2015

    So we havent had a thread on this yet..

    Today a hospital announced Thailand had got its first MERS patient.. Promptly followed up with a swift denial from herr General..

    PM Prayut: 'No MERS patient in Thailand yet' - Channel NewsAsia

    However the health ministry seems to think otherwise

    Thailand confirms first MERS case: health ministry | Reuters

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    Best keep away from Soi Suk 3.
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    It's on the front page of a Norwegian newspaper today: "MERS in THAILAND!!!!!........Then with tiny small letters at the end of the article it is saying that WHO say it's nothing to worry about, feel free to travel, even to South Korea or the middle east.....Bad news is as always a bestseller 555
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    Unless it becomes a lot more airborne transmission (or if the WHO isnt being entirely honest about its airborne transmission now) it should be containable..

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    Wow ! Shock horror ! Someone from the Middle East (with underlying medical problems) turns out to have Middle East Respiratory Syndrome !

    Should we all start panicking and is this the latest "end of the world" disease ? Just out of curiosity , how many millions died from the ebola outbreak ?

    Wow ! Shock horror ! There were conflicting reports from different branches of government/heath care !

    How many different reports were there about the ebola cases in the U.S ? "Yes he has ebola" ... "No he doesn't" ..... "We're not sure , we're waiting on test results".

    Anyone remember the MERS cases in the U.K ?
    UK Government press release 4 July 2013 :

    The total number of laboratory confirmed cases detected by the UK remains at four. There have been three deaths, two reported in February 2013 and one in July 2013.
    This is yet another scare story with no factual basis , another chance to try and have a dig at the "junta" when in fact their reaction has been very similar to our own 'democratic' government's actions during the ebola 'scare'.

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    I don't think it's reasons to worry to much......follow it closely and see how it's going and what it may lead to......
    It's pretty much been only been smallish or harmless outbreaks of viruses since the "black death" in the 13 hundreds.......Guess Ebola is the worst??
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    Quote Originally Posted by geir View Post
    It's pretty much been only been smallish or harmless outbreaks of viruses since the "black death" in the 13 hundreds.......Guess Ebola is the worst??
    erm 1918 spanish flu.. 20 - 100 million according to wiki..
    Asian flu in the 50's 1 - 1.5 million..

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    Quote Originally Posted by faultytowers View Post
    Wow ! Shock horror ! There were conflicting reports from different branches of government/heath care !

    How many different reports were there about the ebola cases in the U.S ? "Yes he has ebola" ... "No he doesn't" ..... "We're not sure , we're waiting on test results".
    How many times did the prime minister or president give incorrect data ??

    Given a hospital had said he had it.. Would it not have been wise to keep his mouth closed until second round tests confirmed or denied instead of instantly making a fool of himself by being wrong ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by LivinLOS View Post
    erm 1918 spanish flu.. 20 - 100 million according to wiki..
    Asian flu in the 50's 1 - 1.5 million..
    Measels, 1980, about 2,5 million per year...... 2013 96000........ so lets not vaccinate kids.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by LivinLOS View Post
    erm 1918 spanish flu.. 20 - 100 million according to wiki..
    Asian flu in the 50's 1 - 1.5 million..
    OK, I was probably hiding in my north European box 5555
    Maybe it's a bit naive, but I don't see that happen in the civilized world again.......In the third world maybe, if the politicians wants it to...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LivinLOS View Post
    How many times did the prime minister or president give incorrect data ??

    Given a hospital had said he had it.. Would it not have been wise to keep his mouth closed until second round tests confirmed or denied instead of instantly making a fool of himself by being wrong ??
    Given he said ; "no MERS patient had been diagnosed in Thailand yet" and that the Public Health Minister stated that "authorities were still waiting to confirm lab results" , the P.M's statement was factually correct.

    Would it have been better just to go along with the " local media reports" and allow the usual media scaremongering to build up before the facts were known ?

    According to the Director-General of the Department of Medical Sciences, Dr Apichai Mongkol, the first lab result was negative, and they were awaiting a second test.
    Edit : When posting about a topic it is worth checking when the linked news items were published.

    The Reuters article was published hours after first article which stated :

    The Public Health Ministry will hold a news conference at 1.30pm (Bangkok time).
    All the Reuters article was simply a report after the diagnosis was finally confirmed by the Heath Ministry.
    Last edited by faultytowers; 20th June 2015 at 21:32. Reason: Added detail.

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    Relax, Kim Jong-un's solved all the world diseases, including Mers, with his new miracle drug!
    Kim Jong-un claims to have cured Aids, Ebola and cancer with single miracle drug - Asia - World - The Independent

    Pity it doesn't cure delusion or weight gain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by faultytowers View Post
    Edit : When posting about a topic it is worth checking when the linked news items were published.

    The Reuters article was published hours after first article which stated :

    Other media reports stated that the first tests said yes, and the PM then denied it, waiting on second tests which also said yes..

    it was the first tests, released on Thai language media, which caused the PM to react.

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    Mers exposure reaches 175 | Bangkok Post: news

    Looks like both the Thai one is contained and the S Korean one has peaked..

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    Another run of bad luck with the denials..

    Thai embassy: no Thais in South Korea come down with Mers

    And a couple of hours later..

    2nd MERS case suspected - The Nation

    A Thai resident who just returned from a trip to South Korea is suspected of being infected by the Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS).

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    Nationwide MERS alert - The Nation

    Professor Dr Yong Poovorawan, a top virologist at Chulalongkorn University's faculty of medicine, said the MERS virus was less infectious than SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) or common flu. The low infection rate of the virus combined with the swift measures to contain it makes the chance of a widespread outbreak in Thailand very low, he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LivinLOS View Post
    Other media reports stated that the first tests said yes, and the PM then denied it, waiting on second tests which also said yes..

    it was the first tests, released on Thai language media, which caused the PM to react.
    In the article you posted there were statements from the Public Health Minister and the Director-General of the Department of Medical Sciences ,both stated that they were awaiting results before giving any confirmation.

    I would not take any "local media" reports too seriously but rather wait for the medical professionals to give factual information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LivinLOS View Post
    Another run of bad luck with the denials..

    Thai embassy: no Thais in South Korea come down with Mers

    And a couple of hours later..

    2nd MERS case suspected - The Nation
    You really do want to make 2+2 = 5

    In the first article the Thai Embassy in Seoul states :
    there have been no reports of Thais coming down with the disease or of being in quarantine. - See more at: http://thainews.prd.go.th/CenterWeb/....46Km7vuS.dpuf
    there have been no reports of Thais coming down with the disease or of being in quarantine. - See more at: http://thainews.prd.go.th/CenterWeb/....46Km7vuS.dpuf
    there have been no reports of Thais coming down with the disease or of being in quarantine.
    That's pretty clear to me , no Thais either in quarantine or diagnosed with MERS in South Korea.

    The second article states:
    A Thai resident who just returned from a trip to South Korea is suspected of being infected by the Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS).

    A thorough lab test on the fourth patient is expected later Friday
    So , at the time both articles were written (on Thursday) there were no confirmed cases of Thais having MERS.

    No "denials" , just facts , which you seems to continually ignore. You have become so "blinkered" in your views that you are now grasping at straws to 'prove' you are right.

    It's strange , because in the past you were one of the people who routinely questioned media/government propaganda about "dictators" in other countries yet you now quote opposition media reports as if they are 100% factual and ignore unbiased facts that contradict the misinformation.

    Never took you for a Sun/Daily Mail reader ! 55555

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    Quote Originally Posted by faultytowers View Post
    I would not take any "local media" reports too seriously but rather wait for the medical professionals to give factual information.
    It was local media that broke the story.. Which then got instant denials..

    Which one of the two is not to be trusted ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by faultytowers View Post
    So , at the time both articles were written (on Thursday) there were no confirmed cases of Thais having MERS.

    No "denials" , just facts , which you seems to continually ignore. You have become so "blinkered" in your views that you are now grasping at straws to 'prove' you are right.
    The first link says 'no 'reports'.. Hours later.. theres a report..

    Rather than constantly denying things.. Why not simply stay quiet and only make official statements (proof positives) when they occur.

    Saying no no no.. ohh actually yes.. Simply looks foolish, and smacks of an unnecessary cover up.. Something which IIRC they did a lot of when SARS was around.

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