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    Quote Originally Posted by marc26 View Post
    Obama has basically had the same stance on islam is whole time in office.....

    And you think it is appropriate for Trump to be personally contacting Egypt to lobby while he is still just the President-elect?
    How is that even close to being appropriate?

    Fixed it for ya'. 555
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc26 View Post
    Obama has basically had the same stance on Israel is whole time in office.....
    However, until now, he has vetoed UN resolutions like all his predecessors. Personally I welcome this, as it is long time due. The vetoes has been preventing a solution in the area and is against what the US use[d] to stand for, simply because it was Israel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrDK View Post
    *** Orange is the new Black ***

    Will that make you a racist is you say something critical about Trump?
    You talk like a Negro...
    “Vote for Trump and grab them by the poosy "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dupree View Post
    You talk like a Negro...
    I will spare my reply concerning what you talk like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatdane View Post
    No, it is very much the same as you did. Many times. Against me, against sundancekid, and others as well, as far as I remember. When we talked about WHY some became terrorists, you claimed it we were excusing the terrorists even though you were told again and again and again that was not the case. You did similar regarding freedom of speech.

    I am not proud of what I did in these last couple of posts here, but I felt it was time you got a taste of how it feels to be misrepresented that way, even though this has been only a very light version of what you did.

    Anyway, merry Xmas to everyone, even the right wings, the lefties, the conspiracy nuts - and the racists
    When my daughter doesn't want to do her homework, she as all kinds of "explanations" as to why........she tells me them again, and again, and, again......and she is still full of shit.

    How's the terrorist cock tasting these days? 5555

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    You know what I don't get??

    You have all these right wingers constantly saying how people should get off welfare and get a job of a single mom should get out and work.
    Stuff like that( which in some cases, they are correct)
    But there is very overall sympathy for people "down on thier luck"

    Yet there is this overwhelming sympathy for the Rust Belt workers, these coal miners, manufacturers....
    Why is that? Is it nostalgia from what they meant to the country way back? Which they certainly meant a lot to the country and some of those industries had a big hand in growing the country.

    But I don't understand the overall sympathy for a workplace that has been passed by.
    It's unfortunate, but at some point.......They have to adapt and learn new skills.

    If it were the people that the right bitch about being lazy, they'd be yelling over the moaning that comes from people that work on industries that have automated and contracted

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    Gotta' love this guy. 5555

    A wealthy businessman who co-chaired president-Elect Donald Trump's state campaign confirmed to The Associated Press on Friday that he told an alternative newspaper he hoped President Barack Obama would die from mad cow disease and that the first lady would "return to being a male."
    Trump co-chair wishes death on Obama, calls 1st lady male | Fox News

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc26 View Post
    You know what I don't get??

    You have all these right wingers constantly saying how people should get off welfare and get a job of a single mom should get out and work.
    Stuff like that( which in some cases, they are correct)
    But there is very overall sympathy for people "down on thier luck"

    Yet there is this overwhelming sympathy for the Rust Belt workers, these coal miners, manufacturers....
    Why is that? Is it nostalgia from what they meant to the country way back? Which they certainly meant a lot to the country and some of those industries had a big hand in growing the country.

    But I don't understand the overall sympathy for a workplace that has been passed by.
    It's unfortunate, but at some point.......They have to adapt and learn new skills.

    If it were the people that the right bitch about being lazy, they'd be yelling over the moaning that comes from people that work on industries that have automated and contracted
    You know what I don't get?

    How the left still hasn't figured out that calling everyone they don't like a racist is a pretty bad strategy.

    Can't decide which is worse, that, or being Islam's lead prison bitch.

    #Comey
    #Russians

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuhio View Post
    You know what I don't get?

    How the left still hasn't figured out that calling everyone they don't like a racist is a pretty bad strategy.

    Can't decide which is worse, that, or being Islam's lead prison bitch.

    #Comey
    #Russians
    How does that have anything to do with what I just wrote?
    I guess I don't get that either now 5555

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc26 View Post
    How does that have anything to do with what I just wrote?

    I guess I don't get that either now 5555
    In case you have not noticed, kuhio has never cared what is actually being written. He's already decided that all people on the "left" are calling everyone they disagree with racists. The fact that we don't has never stopped him. Kuhio just simply knows what we really believe better than ourselves 555.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc26 View Post
    You know what I don't get??

    You have all these right wingers constantly saying how people should get off welfare and get a job of a single mom should get out and work.
    Stuff like that( which in some cases, they are correct)
    But there is very overall sympathy for people "down on thier luck"

    Yet there is this overwhelming sympathy for the Rust Belt workers, these coal miners, manufacturers....
    Why is that? Is it nostalgia from what they meant to the country way back? Which they certainly meant a lot to the country and some of those industries had a big hand in growing the country.

    But I don't understand the overall sympathy for a workplace that has been passed by.
    It's unfortunate, but at some point.......They have to adapt and learn new skills.

    If it were the people that the right bitch about being lazy, they'd be yelling over the moaning that comes from people that work on industries that have automated and contracted
    But isn't it about more of a recognition that American jobs have been lost to China Mexico etc.

    I mean Apple iphones etc are all manufactured in places like Taiwan maybe also China.

    Isn't it more a recognition that those jobs need to come back to America?

    Call centres from India? Why when it can be done locally?

    Those countries have be growing at 6-8 % previously isn't it more a recognition that the local USA market needs to become competitive and stop shipping jobs abroad?

    USA outsourcing their jobs for slave wages overseas is coming home to roost with general joblessness and hence general unhappiness with the status quo no?

    So that definately has to be addressed pronto I would have thought.

    Unless it is a case of being too spoilt and lazy....then you can say goodbye to your economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thin White Duke View Post
    But isn't it about more of a recognition that American jobs have been lost to China Mexico etc.

    I mean Apple iphones etc are all manufactured in places like Taiwan maybe also China.

    Isn't it more a recognition that those jobs need to come back to America?

    Call centres from India? Why when it can be done locally?

    Those countries have be growing at 6-8 % previously isn't it more a recognition that the local USA market needs to become competitive and stop shipping jobs abroad?

    USA outsourcing their jobs for slave wages overseas is coming home to roost with general joblessness and hence general unhappiness with the status quo no?

    So that definately has to be addressed pronto I would have thought.

    Unless it is a case of being too spoilt and lazy....then you can say goodbye to your economy.
    But most of those jobs in the sectors that get so much sympathy have been lost to automation more than globalization.
    Those coal miner jobs aren't coming back because most of the jobs are automated.
    So shouldn't those people start refocusing their careers elsewhere?
    My industry has contracted hugely. At some point, if I don't make it to retirement, I have to think about what else I can do and I have thought about that for years.
    It just seems a lot of the workers in these industries I mentioned don't want to change what they do.
    And if any other group did that, the righties would be blasting them as lazy and wanting handouts


    And what is a company expected to pay adults to assemble iPhones per hour?
    Do they pay way over the odds just to give be people a job?
    I'd suspect someone that worked in a manufacturing job won't settle for 15usd/hr......So Apple has to pay them 25usd/hr when they could pay 5usd/hr somewhere else?

    I'm not saying I agree with any of that. I honestly don't know the answers and automation is way more scary for jobs going forward than companies outsourcing for lower wages

    Do we just keep giving handouts like Trump did to Carrier and become a communist society? A socialist society?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thin White Duke View Post
    But isn't it about more of a recognition that American jobs have been lost to China Mexico etc.

    I mean Apple iphones etc are all manufactured in places like Taiwan maybe also China.

    Isn't it more a recognition that those jobs need to come back to America?

    Call centres from India? Why when it can be done locally?

    Those countries have be growing at 6-8 % previously isn't it more a recognition that the local USA market needs to become competitive and stop shipping jobs abroad?

    USA outsourcing their jobs for slave wages overseas is coming home to roost with general joblessness and hence general unhappiness with the status quo no?

    So that definately has to be addressed pronto I would have thought.

    Unless it is a case of being too spoilt and lazy....then you can say goodbye to your economy.
    Yes, we've discussed this in the various economic threads as well over the years. So what exactly would you propose? Trump has previously said that US wages have to be decreased in order to compete with China or Mexico. But that surely is a race to the bottom that cannot be won either. An employee is also a consumer of products...

    Alternatively, all products will be significantly more expensive for the US consumer if production is moved back. I've said many times that I don't really know where the new middle class in western countries will emerge from. I understand that no conservatives will ever agree to it... but employing people in subsidized new technology industries --- or infrastructure projects ---would probably be the best bet. That's what China is doing right now, but of course they have the luxury of being able to take the much longer political outlook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc26 View Post
    But most of those jobs in the sectors that get so much sympathy have been lost to automation more than globalization.
    Those coal miner jobs aren't coming back because most of the jobs are automated.
    So shouldn't those people start refocusing their careers elsewhere?
    My industry has contracted hugely. At some point, if I don't make it to retirement, I have to think about what else I can do and I have thought about that for years.
    It just seems a lot of the workers in these industries I mentioned don't want to change what they do.
    And if any other group did that, the righties would be blasting them as lazy and wanting handouts


    And what is a company expected to pay adults to assemble iPhones per hour?
    Do they pay way over the odds just to give be people a job?
    I'd suspect someone that worked in a manufacturing job won't settle for 15usd/hr......So Apple has to pay them 25usd/hr when they could pay 5usd/hr somewhere else?

    I'm not saying I agree with any of that. I honestly don't know the answers and automation is way more scary for jobs going forward than companies outsourcing for lower wages

    Do we just keep giving handouts like Trump did to Carrier and become a communist society? A socialist society?
    For starters start major infrastructure projects like upgrading all International Airports and upgrade all inner cities for example......roads and railways and perhaps look at ways of not importing any more oil but exploring and then using your own.Explore gas and possibly nuclear as well as renewables.

    Exit the Middle East reliability completely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc26 View Post

    If it were the people that the right bitch about being lazy, they'd be yelling over the moaning that comes from people that work on industries that have automated and contracted
    Quote Originally Posted by marc26 View Post
    How does that have anything to do with what I just wrote?
    I guess I don't get that either now 5555
    Who are the "people the right bitch about being lazy"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thin White Duke View Post
    For starters start major infrastructure projects like upgrading all International Airports and upgrade all inner cities for example......roads and railways and perhaps look at ways of not importing any more oil but exploring and then using your own. your .Explore gas and possibly nuclear as well as renewables.

    Exit the Middle East reliability completely.
    As I mentioned above, this I would agree with as well. And I've said this before, but Trump is not an ideological conservative, so government investments is not something he would be inertly opposed to. Question is if he can get the Republican party to agree...

    EDIT: Just because energy was mentioned, Trump has also promised to bring back coal jobs to the Midwest. We all know that will never happen... not because of regulations imposed... but rather because the market forces have made natural gas much more competitive. So if Trump wants to bring back subsidized coal jobs, then why not favor new and cleaner technology instead?
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    No he should absolutely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc26 View Post
    Do we just keep giving handouts like Trump did to Carrier and become a communist society? A socialist society?
    That's just such an interesting question on so many levels. Some of what Trump is talking about is protecting domestic jobs through tariffs. We've done that in Norway for decades already. I'd even agree that policies like NAFTA should be thoroughly questioned. Sure, the Carrier issue was mostly a political stunt, but there's still a fragment on truth involved.

    What I found most interesting was that conservative Trump supporters rushed to support the deal before knowing any of the details. Point being that the government can actually intervene and provide subsidies. Look at the huge subsidies that big oil and nuclear have received over the decades. Multiple times than renewables have ever gotten. So I'd rather the government support forward looking industries. Rather than an individual air-condition company from the state of the next vice president...
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    Trump has got 4 years.

    If there is not major performance on all fronts he must be out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thin White Duke View Post
    For starters start major infrastructure projects like upgrading all International Airports and upgrade all inner cities for example......roads and railways and perhaps look at ways of not importing any more oil but exploring and then using your own.Explore gas and possibly nuclear as well as renewables.

    Exit the Middle East reliability completely.
    Why Is the U.S. Still Importing So Much Oil?


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