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    Property Owners

    On the US Presidential thread I made a reference to only allowing property owners to vote in elections.

    Surprisingly the statement drew some criticism so rather than carry it on and derail an interesting thread
    I thought I would start this thread and if anyone wanted to discuss my exceedingly sensible proposal, they could do so.

    History
    In Britain only male property owners were allowed to vote up to the Third reform Act 1884 (I think)
    Under that voting system Britain expanded and created the largest empire the world has known and brought law and order to
    Victoria's subjects and created a very wealthy Britain.

    It is clear by some of the politicians elected that under universal franchise,
    a large proportion of voters are too damned stupid to be allowed to vote.

    Should we go back to the old system?

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    What have you been drinking ? 5555
    'If it floats, flies or fcuks , it's cheaper to rent"

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    Why not make it property owners earning over $100k/year and an IQ > 120, that should see the proper people getting elected .... actually your proposal does have some merit (joking aside) but in this world of PC lunacy you'll never see it fly outside of Monaco!
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    You forgot... no females should get the vote either...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stillearly View Post
    What have you been drinking ? 5555
    Nope but I'm sure fed up with subsidising useless politicians drinking.

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    Why do I think this could work?

    In New Zeakand after 1935 we had a socialist government that built "state houses" funded by the government and rented to working people under certain income thresholds.

    They then also offered these houses to the tenants to purchase at a minimal deposit and payments not much higher than rent.
    Many ,many took the offer up and actually became property owners, but others didn't and stayed tenants.

    The amazing thing was the social effect on these suburbs. Owners took a pride in their property and set a standard that many of the tenants also followed. In other countries these areas of "social housing" became ghetto's. In New Zealand these suburbs were places people lived in proudly.

    Become a property owner and you have an investment in the community
    and ensure it is a place to be proud of. A bit simplified but it really worked.

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    Well thatcher did it here in the 80s to create a property owning democracy. Problem is there ain't no social housing left as they sold them all off for pittance and didn't replace the stock sold off. We now have to pay private landlords huge rents to house those who would have previously been housed in social housing. This has pushed up property prices to ridiculous levels and young first time buyers and those on average incomes can no longer afford to get a mortgage let alone a deposit. The rich property owners get rich for doing sod all whilst everyone else is fcuked. Talk about the law of unintended consequences




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    What about in countries where renting is far more prevalent... you'd have hardly any eligible voters...

    Why the Germans and French prefer to rent | House & Home | Property | The Independent

    Germany has the greatest proportion of home-renters in Europe, and Germans still prefer to rent accommodation rather than own it. Only 39 per cent of the population own the homes that they live in compared with about 60 per cent in Britain.

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    Excuse me if this has been asked on the other thread, I don't follow it .

    What about those who own more than one property, would you get a vote for each home you own? Would someone with a mortgage get a vote or only if you own the home outright?

    Those are genuine questions even though I think the notion is utter lunacy, being a home owner doesn't automatically provide you with intelligence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kris-one View Post
    Well thatcher did it here in the 80s to create a property owning democracy. Problem is there ain't no social housing left as they sold them all off for pittance and didn't replace the stock sold off. We now have to pay private landlords huge rents to house those who would have previously been housed in social housing. This has pushed up property prices to ridiculous levels and young first time buyers and those on average incomes can no longer afford to get a mortgage let alone a deposit. The rich property owners get rich for doing sod all whilst everyone else is fcuked. Talk about the law of unintended consequences
    I doubt it was unintended
    Many politicians have benefited financially and in jobs after parliament from sale of public assets.
    That's why we need intelligent voters so the crooks quickly get weeded out.

    These were sold to the original tenant only and their income had to be below a certain level so you could not get speculators moving in on a big scale

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    How many votes would the Duke of Westminster get ?
    'If it floats, flies or fcuks , it's cheaper to rent"

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    Quote Originally Posted by TLandHim View Post
    Become a property owner and you have an investment in the community
    and ensure it is a place to be proud of. A bit simplified but it really worked.
    There's a very positive side effect, that you haven't mentioned, which I believe goes hand in hand with the limited voting you suggest. The voters will make sure it is a respectable thing to own stuff, and one of the stuff that kind of voters will include are other people.

    Take a look at history of limited voting and compare it with the history of owing slaves or otherwise keeping people in their places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatdane View Post
    There's a very positive side effect, that you haven't mentioned, which I believe goes hand in hand with the limited voting you suggest. The voters will make sure it is a respectable thing to own stuff, and one of the stuff that kind of voters will include are other people.

    Take a look at history of limited voting and compare it with the history of owing slaves or otherwise keeping people in their places.
    Are you not aware that "owning slaves or otherwise keeping people in their places" has been the usual state of power since families first joined together as tribes?

    Democracy is a very recent aberration on a mere smidgen of time in the scale of human progress.
    The Greeks tried it a year or two back but it proved to be just a passing fad as the Romans also found

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    Quote Originally Posted by TLandHim View Post
    Are you not aware that "owning slaves or otherwise keeping people in their places" has been the usual state of power since families first joined together as tribes?
    Yes, I am aware of that. And I think most people, like myself, are happy that slavery is not in widespread use any more. I do not consider those the good old days.

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    This thread has got me stumped.

    I really have no idea how to respond in fear of not getting the joke.

    Help please.

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    ^It's sort of like Apartheid, but based on wealth....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TLandHim View Post
    Why do I think this could work?

    In New Zeakand after 1935 we had a socialist government that built "state houses" funded by the government and rented to working people under certain income thresholds.

    They then also offered these houses to the tenants to purchase at a minimal deposit and payments not much higher than rent.
    Many ,many took the offer up and actually became property owners, but others didn't and stayed tenants.

    The amazing thing was the social effect on these suburbs. Owners took a pride in their property and set a standard that many of the tenants also followed. In other countries these areas of "social housing" became ghetto's. In New Zealand these suburbs were places people lived in proudly.

    Become a property owner and you have an investment in the community
    and ensure it is a place to be proud of. A bit simplified but it really worked.
    What was the population?

    What was the unemployment?

    Was it Maori's who benefited or European settlers?

    A bit simplified? Jesus friggin Christ that must be the understatement that I have ever come across on this board to date.

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    Since I made my eminately sensible assertion that only property owners should have the right to vote
    I have been able to gather sound empirical evidence.

    I have stood in the supermarket queues of 3 different countries

    Standing behind any 5 customers in a Walmart Las Vegas and see if you can find 3 who are equipped to vote for a president with such an important role?

    In my own town, Auckland NZ, there was only one person in the 6 in front of me who spoke comprehensible English so how could they educte themselves on the issues facing local and central government and make rational vote.

    Yesterday, standing in the queue in Big C in Patong! I rest my case

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    Well, I was standing in the Vegas Walmart in line behind you, and you're post has given me grave doubts indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kuhio View Post
    Well, I was standing in the Vegas Walmart in line behind you, and you're post has given me grave doubts indeed.
    I thought it was all the Elvis impersonaters on the strip who voted for Harry Reid
    and it was you all along Kuhio 555

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