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    Quote Originally Posted by obes View Post
    And can you point us, obviously ill informed dim wits, to where exactly in the world Base Load (not maybe one day) is NOW 100% renewable ?
    No one has ever claimed that we have 100% renewable energy anywhere in the world today, right? Instead we set scientific goals as to what we can achieve within the next few decades based on current technology, as well as future prospects. That's how we evolve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundancekid View Post
    No one has ever claimed that we have 100% renewable energy anywhere in the world today, right? Instead we set scientific goals as to what we can achieve within the next few decades based on current technology, as well as future prospects. That's how we evolve.
    Oh OK - so you were in fact wrong !
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    Quote Originally Posted by obes View Post
    Oh OK - so you were in fact wrong !
    Again, you really do need to learn how to read post more carefully. I've been perfectly consistent on this very issue since page one in this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundancekid View Post
    Again, you really do need to learn how to read post more carefully. I've been perfectly consistent on this very issue since page one in this thread.
    Again - you really need to stop with the BS and perhaps re-read what you've written = "We already have the technology to replace our energy usage with 100% renewables, and with even better reliability than today" !

    See your post just above (#881) - in particular this line = "No one has ever claimed that we have 100% renewable energy anywhere in the world today" And then have a look back a couple of pages and you might find you in fact are the one not reading things carefully enough !

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    Quote Originally Posted by obes View Post
    Again - you really need to stop with the BS and perhaps re-read what you've written = "We already have the technology to replace our energy usage with 100% renewables, and with even better reliability than today" !

    See your post just above (#881) - in particular this line = "No one has ever claimed that we have 100% renewable energy anywhere in the world today" And then have a look back a couple of pages and you might find you in fact are the one not reading things carefully enough !
    I believe you do not read what is written. Yes, we do have the technology today. The problem is that it takes time to implement it. That is why you have plans stretching long into the future - based on the technology we have today. No hocus pocus with dreams of technology of tomorrow that may or may not materialize.

    It is also correct that even though we do have the technology already, we do not yet have any countries that is using only renewable energy. Again, simply because it takes time to implement it.

    Denmark is closer than many other countries, only because we started before many other countries. Today some 60% of our electricity is from wind. We have a target of producing 30% of all our energy needs from RE energy sources by 2020 and 100% in 2050. All from the technology we know today. Stuff takes time.
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    Indeed GD. These concepts really should not be very difficult to grasp. Namely the difference between the technology we possess today, and what we've actually implemented. Again obes, try to find any actual quotes in this entire thread where I (or others) have conflated those two basic concepts. I can assure you that you will find none.
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    Coal,gas and nukes are still no 1 for covering baseload requirements.
    renewables will step up to the plate one day,probably through cold fusion. the best scientists all seem to guess that it will be at least another couple of decades until that is mastered and until then, or when something else comes along, the good ol fossil fuels will in demand.
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    I agree that we probably will still have to rely upon fossil fuels for decades to come. But at the same we will see a rapid increase in renewables over the next few years.

    Why?

    A tipping point was reached last year, when a solar PV company in Dubai produced cheaper electricity than any of the non-renewable competitors. Unsubsidized. The price of PV has dropped some 100% in 10 years, and the decrease will only continue as China ramps up the manufacturing. Now that solar can compete with fossil fuels on unsubsidized prices --- and wind is following right behind --- I'd expect the market will really take off. The problem today is that we don't really have a transmission mechanism (grid) in place yet to effectively cater to this new reality. I very much doubt cold fusion will be our savior... At least not in my life time.

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    If anyone is interested in what's going to happen in just the next few years, have a look at this (non-technical) documentary. The Middle-East needs to take a decision right now, and China has already taken it. Arguments that were true only 3 or 5 years ago are quickly disappearing. Once unsubsidized renewables become competetive... then the market forces will take charge.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sundancekid View Post
    No one has ever claimed that we have 100% renewable energy anywhere in the world today, right? Instead we set scientific goals as to what we can achieve within the next few decades based on current technology, as well as future prospects. That's how we evolve.
    Obes is protesting Evolution...

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    Don't think even obes himself knows what he's trying to argue these days. Afraid I cannot comment further though, as Homer would invariably fire up his insult-o-meter. Apparently we need to be more cuddly 555.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dupree View Post
    Obes is protesting Evolution...

    Dupree is following his beloved flock - as all good sheep should (insert stupid face ) !

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundancekid View Post
    Don't think even obes himself knows what he's trying to argue these days. Afraid I cannot comment further though, as Homer would invariably fire up his insult-o-meter. Apparently we need to be more cuddly 555.
    So it's obviously OK for you to claim in one breath we already have the technology, then in the next to claim it will take years, perhaps decades to implement !


    Like make up your mind man !

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    Quote Originally Posted by obes View Post
    So it's obviously OK for you to claim in one breath we already have the technology, then in the next to claim it will take years, perhaps decades to implement !


    Like make up your mind man !
    Why can't you understand that there is not contradiction in those two things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatdane View Post
    Why can't you understand that there is not contradiction in those two things?

    Why can't you understand that technology that MAY be available in a few - to many years, is in fact NOT available NOW !
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    Quote Originally Posted by obes View Post
    Why can't you understand that technology that MAY be available in a few - to many years, is in fact NOT available NOW !
    I read that to mean the technology is available now... but implementing and funding it is what will take longer?

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    All the modelling and hopes and aspirations you like don't add up to the here and now.

    Ever listened to a medical researcher claim a major breakthrough in the fight against a disease, only to add "clinical trials should start in five, or so years" ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waharoa View Post
    I read that to mean the technology is available now... but implementing and funding it is what will take longer?
    Poor old Obes must not have done very well in school. His reading comprehension is soft. He needs to go back to the fundamentals.

    See Obes. See Obes run. Obes likes to run. Run Obes. Run....5555....

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    Why look - it's Robert Dupree dressed for work 55555


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    Quote Originally Posted by obes View Post
    Why look - it's Robert Dupree dressed for work 55555

    Now we know what Obes likes to watch while he's tinkering in his shed...

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