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    Climate Change

    Climate warming greenhouse gas reaches 400 parts per million for the first time in human history.
    For the first time in human history, the concentration of climate-warming carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has passed the milestone level of 400 parts per million (ppm). The last time so much greenhouse gas was in the air was several million years ago, when the Arctic was ice-free, savannah spread across the Sahara desert and sea level was up to 40 metres higher than today.
    If you want to have your photo taken with a Polar Bear in the wild, maybe better hurry.

    Global carbon dioxide in atmosphere passes milestone level | Environment | guardian.co.uk

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    Over on TD, Ian Forbes has pictures of himself actually milking polar bears....
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    Quote Originally Posted by slampay View Post
    Over on TD, Ian Forbes has pictures of himself actually milking polar bears....
    Does it make good cheese ???

    Artic Blue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soupdragon View Post
    Does it make good cheese ???

    Artic Blue.
    As a non-abstrusive sportsman, he feeds it back to them.

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    Lightbulb

    wonder how they measured the greenhouse gases several million years ago...............................

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    Quote Originally Posted by geir View Post
    wonder how they measured the greenhouse gases several million years ago...............................
    By checking the bubbles in ice formed at that time.

    Works for the last couple of millenia I think.
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    "the arctic was ice free"...................I don't trust all this global warming talk. It's turned into a billion business money machine......................Loved the global warming scam conspiracy movie....

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    Quote Originally Posted by geir View Post
    "the arctic was ice free"...................I don't trust all this global warming talk. It's turned into a billion business money machine......................Loved the global warming scam conspiracy movie....
    Yep, I'm with you on this one.
    Notwithstanding the potential for a man-made cataclysmic nuclear event, one should note that planet EARTH has existed for a long long time. Angkor Wat is a mere 'day trip' away in history ....
    Cheers, Rob.

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    So the very fact that the vast majority of climate scientists believe global warming is happening has no effect on you guys then? And all of the empirical evidence? I wonder what you know that they don't.

    Sad to say, the energy industry has been very successful through think-tanks, lobbyists and ignorant journalists in duping the public into doubting the science on this issue.
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    It's no doubt the ice is melting......but is it human made????
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundancekid View Post
    So the very fact that the vast majority of climate scientists believe global warming is happening has no effect on you guys then? And all of the empirical evidence? I wonder what you know that they don't.

    Sad to say, the energy industry has been very successful through think-tanks, lobbyists and ignorant journalists in duping the public into doubting the science on this issue.
    I wouldn`t argue with any of that but if all turns around and we start to head into another ice age who do we blame?

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    Yes, based on sound empirical science. At least since 1970, no other causes than excess CO2 can be pointed to in order to explain the observed warming trend. In fact solar activity has declined and therefore had downward pressure on global temperatures.

    Look for the next strong El Nino, and we'll have another record year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loop View Post
    I wouldn`t argue with any of that but if all turns around and we start to head into another ice age who do we blame?
    We are naturally heading towards another ice age, due to the earth's orbit and axial tilt. In 10,000 years or so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by geir View Post
    It's no doubt the ice is melting......but is it human made????
    Does it matter? The important questions must be:
    What does it mean for human beings?
    Can we do anything to make it better for us?
    Should we do anything to make it better for us?

    Whom to blame can be interesting to know, but really, it is not that important.
    Last edited by Greatdane; 13th May 2013 at 20:12.

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    For the record (not that anyone cares 555) climate scientist Joe Romm does a superb job debunking 99 climate myths. The scientists at Skeptical Science provides the scientific depth.

    99 One-Liners Rebutting Denier Talking Points ? With Links To The Full Climate Science | ThinkProgress

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    What we can do is to learn how and where to build cities in the future. Stay away from the lower parts to avoid the rising water. It's not like it's going to help to shoot the cows and close a few factories........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatdane View Post
    Does it matter? The important questions must be:
    What does it mean for human beings?
    Can we do anything to make it better for us?
    Should we do anything to make it better for us?

    Who to blame can be interesting to know, but really, it is not that important.
    Maybe the Thai way is the best...don`t even think about 1 minute ahead?

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    Just watch this video guys. George Carlin says everything there is to be said on this subject. I think we can go ahead and safely close this thread after, resting assured that all bases have been covered.

    RIP old boy. You're sorely missed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geir View Post
    What we can do is to learn how and where to build cities in the future. Stay away from the lower parts to avoid the rising water. It's not like it's going to help to shoot the cows and close a few factories........
    As always, it’s the poor that will suffer most. Millions around the Bangladeshi river deltas alone will need to be displaced with only a few feet of sea level rise. Think of the migratory nightmare in an already poor country, in addition to the resources lost, sickness etc. etc. And where will they go? Burma? West Bengal? A largely Islamic country flooding into the neighboring countries with different religions is hardly a pleasant scenario.

    Wouldn't actually be that difficult to stabilize the CO2 emissions for a cost at around 1% of world GDP.

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    great vid couldn't agree more

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