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    Detroit.. How fast the rot..

    So theres a few photo blogs showing amazing old structures in total disrepair..

    But this blog uses google street view and only over a few years shows the speed of change..

    GooBing Detroit

    2009, 2011, 2013.





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    Seen that a few days ago....shocking! If you want a real adventure, do it yourself. Google earth Detriot, streetveiw it, and have a leisurely cruise through the post apocalyptic "center of the industrial world".
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    Also does make you wonder..

    So we are seeing a new robotic age dawning.. The humble burger flipper is going to be out of a job...

    Robot Serves Up 360 Hamburgers Per Hour | Singularity Hub

    Fast food workers demanding increased minimum wage ?? They just get end run by a machine and will price themselves pure out of the system..

    We have uber pressuring taxi drivers.. Lets assume in maybe a decade driverless cars will be able to do this job.. Manufacturing is being mechanized and outsourced to low labor rate countries..

    What is left as productive activity.. I mean you have to make goods, services are the layer that just passes it back and forth, selling each other insurance or cars, or flipping burgers, while it can transfer wealth between sections of the economy, its not really a wealth creator..

    Then you have all government work and the defense type industries it supports.. Those are paid for with taxed dollars, so again a drain on the goods producing section of the economies GDP.

    Every time you read a tech story, its some new leaner, more efficient, cheaper cost saving idea.. Which the consumer aspect of our brain says hey great deflation, a lowering of costs and prices.. I now buy my ebook instantly for 1.99 sent via wifi.. And another postman is out of a job, as is the printer, etc etc etc...

    So more people with no or low skills working minimum wage, getting food stamps, becoming systemically addicted to government wealth distribution.. And a handful of people only leaping to incredible wealth as they harness economies of scale.. Its like we have reached this tipping point where technology and our own inventiveness, combined with advances in AI (a machine just passed the Turing test folks) is going to remove people from the process of employment.. We are going to automate ourselves right into oblivion..

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    Great post, and I deffo get it. But...they said the same thing about electricity?
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    A woman won The Nobel Peace Prize? Must have been a pretty good sandwich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slampay View Post
    Great post, and I deffo get it. But...they said the same thing about electricity?
    The luddites protesting the cotton looms.. That industrialization would take the workers jobs..

    However we have in the past been able to transition to 'thinking' work.. Arguably of much greater value.. Once machine intelligence can do all the routine processing.. What do we then upgrade to ??


    People who do adsense farming can use AI to create 'padded' pages.. Taking one story and using AI to recreate the same thing told differently.. You can look at how AI can now do sports writing Is Software Set to Replace Sports Journalists? | Singularity Hub

    Right now we outsource our phone tech support to low cost countries.. India and PI and the like.. Well with the machine processing of language going leaps and bounds (siri and Google now mistakes can only provide comedy for so long) how long will it be until that voice on the other end of the phone is no longer poor quality indian tech support, but poor quality AI support.. Hell having had to deal with indian support over a credit card issue, I think the comprehension gap with even current AI and speech recognition couldnt be much worse.

    With a view in decades not years, its getting harder and harder to see what really valuable segments of the economy wont be automated.. Maybe by 2050 the idea of even a human surgeon, with his fallibility and shaky hands, will become as outdated as 8 track.

    Change appears to be happening at an exponential rate not a logarithmic one.. That has some really huge implications.
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    ^^^ wool.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by slampay View Post
    ^^^ wool.....
    ha.. Reset time !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LivinLOS View Post
    Maybe by 2050 the idea of even a human surgeon, with his fallibility and shaky hands, will become as outdated as 8 track.
    Already here , robotic 'assisted' surgery is happening in a couple of areas . For prostate cancer they use the "da Vinci" system and for Atrial Fibrillation they use the Hansen Robot , both these system are very precise and remove the 'shaky hands' factor.

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    They are not really replacing the surgeons, they are just new tools for the surgeon.

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    Good thread interesting and they say you never lose money on real estate!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LivinLOS View Post
    So theres a few photo blogs showing amazing old structures in total disrepair..

    But this blog uses google street view and only over a few years shows the speed of change..

    GooBing Detroit

    2009, 2011, 2013.





    Why don't you just buy detroit? Cheaper than California..

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    Surely the houses & land are still worth something, so why has nobody bought them, once the price dropped far enough ?

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    Same reason why they don't buy swamp land in Florida.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaynewcastle11 View Post
    Surely the houses & land are still worth something, so why has nobody bought them, once the price dropped far enough ?
    Because you have to pay property taxes on them.. And the population is falling..

    Seem them selling houses for 2k USD.. You contractually need to fix them up over a time period etc..

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    Quote Originally Posted by LivinLOS View Post
    Because you have to pay property taxes on them.. And the population is falling..

    Seem them selling houses for 2k USD.. You contractually need to fix them up over a time period etc..
    Infrastructure is shit as well, city is bankrupt, call ambulance-fire or a cop and your better off to start walking towards the hospital.
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    Is there any programs where people can fix these places up using their labour and they eventually get to own them ?

    But then again, if the local government's broke, then I guess there aint no point !

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    A woman won The Nobel Peace Prize? Must have been a pretty good sandwich.

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    ^^^^ Sounds like they wouldn't have a problem attracting real Zombies to populate the park !

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