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    Excise taxes on alcohol to rise (bigly).

    The Thailiban are at it again..

    Excise Department Plan Alcohol Tax Increase of up to 150% | Chiang Mai Citylife

    Sounds like this is only the tax increase !!!!

    Unsure if this is only for imported to kill the competition but excse tax is on domestic too.. Look at these rises !!

    Beer

    3.5% and under From 41.60 baht a bottle (620ml) to 78.50 baht

    5% From 42.10 baht a bottle (620ml) to 108 baht

    5.8% From 40.70 baht a bottle (620ml) to 123 baht

    6% From 40.20 baht a bottle (620ml) to 132 baht

    7% From 46.50 baht a bottle (620ml) to 178 baht



    Whiskey

    35% From 160 baht a bottle (700ml) to 312 baht

    40% up From 216-366 baht a bottle (700ml) to 357-447 baht



    Rice Whiskey

    28% From 98 baht a bottle (625ml) to 199 baht

    35% From 121 baht a bottle (625ml) to 244 baht



    Wine

    12.5 14.5% From 225 a bottle (0.75cl) to 519 baht

    Maximum tax value of 1,482 baht

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    Is that really a bad thing with such alcohol problems amongst the citizens?

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    It will for sure kill the bar business if this really happens.......Illegal home breweries comes to mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc26 View Post
    Is that really a bad thing with such alcohol problems amongst the citizens?
    Its not exactly a few baht rise.. This is a huge jump.. If applied your going to see shit Thai beers at 200b wholesale prices...

    I am wondering if this is in reaction to the massive spike in craft brewers making beer and importing.. Eg tax only imports and kill the quality competition.

    Looks like those reports of the countries reserve accounts being empty are on point.. Airline fuel taxes rising 1000%.. Alcohol taxes rising.. Looks like a panic series of moves now they have blown the bank on submarines.

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    Those are insane increases!
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    Excise tax chief assures new alcoholic law will be fairer for business operators and consumers - Thai PBS English News

    He said he couldn’t say how much the exact rates would be as this would be fixed again but assured that the new rates wouldn’t be higher than the existing rates.

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    So it turns out a vague as always......storm in a glass of water (as we say in Noggieland).
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    Law proposed with rates exact..

    ..People complain..

    Junta says.. Trust us, we may not impose it all..

    Have you not learnt from the single gateway etc how this works..

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    Quote Originally Posted by LivinLOS View Post
    Law proposed with rates exact..

    ..People complain..

    Junta says.. Trust us, we may not impose it all..

    Have you not learnt from the single gateway etc how this works..
    I cant see that they are going to double the price for Thai beer and booze over night. I don't think we'll find small Leos for 80 Baht in 7/11. I'm not panicking yet, but if it looks like they are going to do it I will do some serious beer shopping soon. (the cans are valid for 1 year these days).
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    BTW, they did similar under Outofluck with plans of massive increase over a few years, but it was only minor increases that happened. So lets not panic about this one yet.
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    Snap increases in prices will only fuel profiteering.
    Can still buy a beer for US$1 in Cambodia...

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    Excise tax chief assures new alcoholic law will be fairer for business operators and consumers - Thai PBS English News

    He admitted that if the new excise tax law becomes effective 180 days after it is published in the Royal Gazette, the department will get higher tax.

    But at the same time, the department will adjust tax rates so as to not put higher burden on business operators passing the burden to consumers.

    He said the calculation for the new tax structure was based on tax collection from maximum rates while in actual practise, the collected rates wouldn’t be as high as appeared in the new tax structure.

    He said he couldn’t say how much the exact rates would be as this would be fixed again but assured that the new rates wouldn’t be higher than the existing rates.

    He said the Excise Department will adhere to the government’s policy that advised that the new tax structure must not affect the burden of business operators and consumers.

    He said the new excise tax is a merger of seven excise tax laws into one and it changes the tax collection from ex factory price to retail price without VAT which will be fairer to tax payers.

    He also said business operators would be given a six month reprieve to adjust tax rates of their products lower because the revision of the excise tax laws would result in higher tax bases, and therefore they have to lower tax rates that will not affect consumers.
    How does any of that make sense.. Total double speak..

    What it does sound like it there is going to be discretion in setting rates and collection.. A huge opening for corruption and payoffs by the big boys to screw over the smaller players.. I have a hunch this is all from the huge growth in craft beer being made by Thais for Thailand at the borders, and imported to get around Thailands awful protectionist laws.
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    On the other hand, the recent cigarette price hikes were fairly substantial, so I wouldn't rule anything out!

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    BANGKOK: -- The Thai press - seeking clarification of new excise regulations - have reported that the cost of smoking and massage is to rise.

    Sanook.com reported that the cost of lighting up is likely to increase by as much as five baht per cigarette.

    Excise charges on bathing at massage parlors is set to go up by 1,000 baht a time.

    Chief of the excise department Somchai Phoonsawat was trying to explain what the new ceilings previously announced meant as he accepted there was some confusion from the public.

    But after his explanations there was still those who were perplexed by what it all meant. Exactly how the new arrangements would impact the costs to the public were still shrouded in jargon.

    However, sanook.com screamed in a headline that smokers were being fleeced and people going for a soapy bath session would have to pay a lot more.

    The changes to the excise gathering arrangements have been announced in the Royal Gazette and will become law or begin to become law after a 180 day period has passed.

    The new laws will also have an effect on alcohol prices and the prices of playing cards.

    Source: Sanook
    Still no ones clear on how it works

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    Quote Originally Posted by geir View Post
    It will for sure kill the bar business if this really happens.......Illegal home breweries comes to mind.
    This.

    Sure I can buy the argument that you raise the tax a little to get people to think again about that second bottle... but push too far and you'll just drive the trade underground.

    BTW, I did quit smoking at 18 because the govt raised the taxes on smokes.
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    And they are already making loads in taxes on alcohol. One trey of Leo is 730 Baht in Thailand while you can buy it in Myanmar for half price. I don't mind a small rise, but anything above 10% would be insane.
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