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    'Liking' political rumours is a crime

    'Liking' political rumours is a crime - The Nation

    Police Maj Gen Pisit Pao-in, commander of the Technology Crime Suppression Division, defends his agency against criticism over its threat to take legal action against Facebook users who "like" certain messages of a political nature.

    He talks to The Sunday Nationís Pakorn Puengnetr in an exclusive interview.

    Q : Are asking if clicking "like" is now against the law.

    It will be if you 'like' a message deemed damaging to national security. If you press 'like', it means you are accepting that message, which is tantamount to supporting it. By doing so, you help increase the credibility of the message and hence you should also be held responsible.

    Q : Is this rule the same in other countries?

    This has nothing to do with foreign countries, because they have different laws. We are taking preventive measures in dealing with this matter. Others may use the principle of law but we use the principle of political science.

    Q : Do you think the police have done anything wrong in this?

    I don't know. But believe me, I can take legal action against you. The Penal Code and the Computer Crime Act can be applied in this matter.

    Q : Which message of the four people summoned by the TCSD was deemed unlawful?

    Basically, they talked about the possibility of a coup, which is groundless and is clearly against the Computer Crime Act.

    The TCSD action is just meant to have a psychological impact. We don't want these four persons to be jailed. We just questioned them and it's okay for them to say they didn't mean to create panic.

    After this action, people are now more careful [about their Facebook messages]. I am mainly aiming at social peace.

    So you mean from now on, people can't click 'like'?

    I'm not prohibiting from pressing 'like'. But if you 'like' this kind of message, you will be arrested.

    Q : What about "sharing" such a message?

    There are two kinds of sharing. If you share in a way to support the original message, this is wrong. But if you comment against the message, this is okay.

    Q : Will this rule be applied to all cases?

    We will just focus on cases of political violence. If you don't prevent it, bad news will be covered by foreign media and confidence [in Thailand] will be affected.

    Q : There has been a campaign that "liking is not a crime".

    It's okay for people to "like" a Facebook page. But they can't 'like' rumours anymore. I think I have achieved my goal.

    Q : Is the TCSD action intended as a threat?

    No. We work without any bias about the political colours. Two of those summoned were red shirts, another is a white mask. [The last one is Thai PBS editor Sermsuk Kasiti pradit.]

    Q : How did the TCSD go about this case?

    I have a team here [at TCSD] and at the Royal Thai Police HQ. Our team searched the keyword "coup" and we found posts by these four persons. It was not difficult. We didn't have a particular watchlist.

    Q : Do you think police will be criticised for this action?

    It's okay. I just do my work and I have achieved my goal.



    What the law says

    The Criminal Code and Computer Crime Act can be enforced against people who "like" and "share" Facebook messages deemed unlawful by police, according to the Technology Crime Suppression Division commander.

    Section 59 of the Criminal Code, involving Criminal Liability, states that "A person shall be criminally liable only when such person commits an act intentionally. Ö To commit an act intentionally is to do an act consciously and at the same time the doer desired or could have foreseen the effect of such doing."

    Section 83, about Principals and Supporters, states that, "In case of an offence accrued by commission of two persons or more, such accomplices deemed to be principals shall be punished as provided by the law for such offence."

    Under Section 14 of the Computer Crime Act, any person involved in dissemination or forwarding of computer data already known to be against this law shall be subject to imprisonment for not more than five years or a fine of up to Bt100,000, or both

    I'm not prohibiting from pressing 'like'. But if you 'like' this kind of message, you will be arrested.

    Does that make any sense at all ?? I am not prohibiting it, but to do it is a crime !!!

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    You can have whatever opinion you want, just don't share it with anyone, or else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soupdragon View Post
    You can have whatever opinion you want, just don't share it with anyone, or else.
    But to say you disagree with the message is ok.. That's not a crime..

    So if I say there won't be a coup... And you disagree ??

    Just madness..

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    Quote Originally Posted by soupdragon View Post
    You can have whatever opinion you want, just don't share it with anyone, or else.
    But to say you disagree with the message is ok.. That's not a crime..

    So if I say there won't be a coup... And you disagree ??

    Just madness..

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    They should have banned internet years ago in Thailand....Just have a look at North Korea, what a great democratic republic 5555
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    i like political rumors. Catch me if you can..

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    Yeah took me a bit of time to try and work that one out. Now the bit I found confusing was once you liked it and they caught you, they will tell you off and you only have to give them the same stock answer of 'we didn't mean to create panic', then they let you off???

    So the point of doing and publicising the answer, is what?? stop liking these things and they get less exposure?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodger View Post
    So the point of doing and publicising the answer, is what?? stop liking these things and they get less exposure?
    Basically its bringing or combining the libel and computer crime laws to a new level of stifling any discussion at all..

    Cant have people actually voicing an opinion can we ?? Think of where it could lead !!

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    Maybe better move this thread?

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    It makes perfectly sense to me. If one person says something illegal, and another person agree in public (which he does by pressing the Like button), then of course that is equivalent to saying the same thing.

    Not meaning that I agree with the law, but I have no problem following the logic of the police commander.

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    I guess he wants to say you can click "I like" all statements like I like Thailand, or long live ..., but you may not click likes to the sort of messages he does not like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatdane View Post
    It makes perfectly sense to me. If one person says something illegal, and another person agree in public (which he does by pressing the Like button), then of course that is equivalent to saying the same thing.

    Not meaning that I agree with the law, but I have no problem following the logic of the police commander.
    Says something illegal ?? This was a non libel, non slanderous and non Lese mejeste set of postings..

    Opinions are now illegal.. and merely agreeing with them the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LivinLOS View Post
    Says something illegal ?? This was a non libel, non slanderous and non Lese mejeste set of postings..

    Opinions are now illegal.. and merely agreeing with them the same.
    I haven't read the texts that were liked, only the interview that you quoted. And in that he makes perfectly sense. Of course if a text is not illegal, it is not illegal to 'like' it.

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    The things liked were simply personal statements saying potentially a coup.. Similar to what many many newspapers and news sources hinted at.

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    It's easy to mistake Thailand for an open society or even some sort of a democracy because of so much leniency towards tourists and sexuality and a few other things. But when you see it for what it is, then these comical comments don't come as any surprise. Running a totalitarian government whilst at the same time giving pretense to democracy will have it's natural contradictions.

    But they're still a traditional society where family bonds are strong, grassroots social interactions are solid and people discuss politics quite frequently in closed circles. And the media apparatus over there is nowhere near the scale it is in the West, so they can't control public opinion through it as well as they do here. Word of mouth still remains the stronger tide.

    So it all has to fall back to old fear mongering tactics directed at individuals. It's by no means at the scale of North Korea but it's very much the same. I was having a convo with a Vietnamese taxi driver on Saturday who was talking about the same thing in Vietnam. They seem to be even worse. If anything close to North Korea, coupled with still ongoing north and south tensions, but that's another topic.
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    NSA?

    On the side, I'd just like to take the opportunity to wish a wonderful day to all the Thai mothers out there.

    And a very, very, Happy Birthday wish to HRM.
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    Line is a chat app right ???

    So now even private opinions exchanged between 2 people, are being made a target of this vague law ??

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