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    Suthep calling for a return to monarchy control

    http://asiancorrespondent.com/116332..._source=feedly

    Seems like the (ebbing power) PAD hardliners are giving up on the democrat party and the democratic process entirely..

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    Massive Bangkok Protest Turns on TV Outlets: Dangerous Development for Thailand - Phuket Wan

    Massive Bangkok Protest Turns on TV Outlets: Dangerous Development for Thailand
    By Chutima Sidasathian
    Monday, November 25, 2013

    PHUKET: The hundreds of thousands of protesters in Bangkok's streets will target television channels, the military and police today as concerns grow about Thailand's future.

    The decision to march on the media outlets turns the massive but peaceful street revolt in an unpredictable and potentially dangerous direction.



    Thailand's major free to air television channels effectively ignored the largest street demonstration Thailand has seen in years on Sunday, despite its obvious news value.

    Many countries have issued travel advisories telling tourists to avoid the crowds in Bangkok. Today, with hundreds of thousands of people surging through the capital, those warnings are likely to become stronger.

    Splintering the anti-government disturbance - by most estimates the protest brought between 500,000 and one million onto Bangkok's streets on Sunday - leaves police in Bangkok being forced to deal with incidents on-the-run.

    The protesters aim to topple the ''Thaksin Shinawatra regime'' and end the corruption and nepotism now widely acknowledged under his government and subsequent ''Red'' governments.

    However, many previous ''Red'' supporters have gone over to the traditionally ''Yellow'' opposition, blurring color lines and leaving the government of Thaksin's sister, Yingluck Shinawatra, increasingly exposed and liable to collapse at any moment.

    Thirteen organisations and businesses have been nominated as the protesters' targets today.

    They are the offices of Channel 3, Channel 5, Channel 7, Channel 9 and Channel 11, along with Thai Armed Forces Headquarters, the Royal Thai Air Force, the Royal Thai Army, the Royal Thai Navy, the Royal Thai Police, the Royal Thai Metro Police, the Ministry of the Interior and the Bureau of Budget.

    While the reaction of the military and police can vary depending on the attitude of individuals in charge, Thailand's military is likely to be as divided on the issue of government corruption as the rest of Thailand.

    The higher echelons of the police, however, with a few notable exceptions, have been singled out and openly accused of buying promotions under the ''Thaksin system.''

    In many instances so far, officials in lower positions in government departments have been among those who have joined the protesters.

    Remarkably, the long-running stand-off in Bangkok's streets has remained peaceful. Concerns have multiplied with today's call to the protesters to target 13 different places.

    Tourist destinations in other parts of Thailand beyond Bangkok, including Phuket, Pattaya, Samui and Chiang Mai, have been largely unaffected.

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    On the flip side.

    Ousted Thai leader Thaksin Shinawatra calls for ‘shining’ new age after King’s death
    I can't link the full article as I don't subscribe. I don't think this breaks the taboo of discussing the Monarchy on the forum ?

    Ousted Thai leader Thaksin Shinawatra calls for ?shining? new age after King?s death | The Times


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    WOW.. To have mentioned the event that no one can mention.. I bet thats made arses pucker up the country wide.

    I would feel he needs to be very careful to not over play that hand, the backlash could be his undoing and things seem edgy for both sides currently without the huge mandate he used to have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LivinLOS View Post
    WOW.. To have mentioned the event that no one can mention.. I bet thats made arses pucker up the country wide.

    I would feel he needs to be very careful to not over play that hand, the backlash could be his undoing and things seem edgy for both sides currently without the huge mandate he used to have.
    I picked up the story from FB so it is already getting out there and the response as far as I can gauge is outright condemnation that he has broached the subject.

    I can't read it any other way than he is actually looking forward to the event which makes me wonder what plans he already has in place to capitalize on it.
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    Huge marches in city today
    POLITICAL DESK
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    BANGKOK: -- BANGKOK faces paralysis today as huge crowds of anti-government protesters set out on symbolic marches across the capital in a move that protest leaders are calling an attempt to overthrow the so-called "Thaksin Shinawatra regime".

    The enormous crowd that packed Democracy Monument and nearby areas yesterday looks set to enable the Democrat Party and its allies, which are leading the joint protests, to come up with various measures today - starting at 8.30am - to put pressure on the Pheu Thai-led coalition government. Their aim is initially to shut down, and eventually end, the so-called Thaksin regime.

    The protesters yesterday crowded on to inner Rajdamnoen Avenue, spilling over into adjacent areas and blocking major roads, including Lan Luang Road, the Nang Lerng area and Khok Wua Intersection. Even Sanam Luang and nearby Pin Klao Bridge saw large numbers of protesters.

    Two key groups of anti-government protesters are expected to move across the capital today. One group will march to block access to Government House and Parliament, while the other will pressure government agencies, a high-ranking protest source said yesterday.

    The Students and People's Network for Thailand's Reform (STR) and the People's Army to Overthrow the Thaksin Regime - known for their hardline stances - will lead protesters to converge at eight key locations in central areas. At the same time, former Democrat MP Suthep Thaugsuban will lead a second group of marchers to 12 other locations - including the government civil-service complex on Chaeng Watthana Road - to call on officials to engage in acts of civil disobedience.

    The Suthep-led march will no doubt cause temporary traffic congestion today. However, the blockade of Government House and Parliament are likely to have longer-lasting effects, as the Democrat-led protesters will attempt to prevent the no-confidence debate, which begins tomorrow, the source said.

    Political deadlock is expected to hit the Yingluck government if the Parliament is blockaded; such an action would render the announcement of a last-resort House dissolution impossible. The Constitution bars a government from dissolving the House once a no-confidence motion has been accepted, pending a debate.

    This possibility yesterday prompted a government operations centre, headed by Labour Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung, to urgently seek an alternative venue for tomorrow's censure debate.

    The centre has recommended protection of strategic locations, at the highest level, to deter any attempts to blockade them, but it is doubtful whether police would be able to stop crowds, which outnumber them, from doing so. The strategic sites include Government House and both airports. Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra reportedly told police that she wanted to hold the Cabinet meeting at Government House, as no alternative locations had been found.

    Estimates of the number of protesters yesterday varied, with security sources citing a figure of around 100,000 and a spokesman for the Democracy Monument rally putting the number at 440,000 in the late afternoon with more expected in the evening.

    Protesters who travelled to Bangkok from the provinces yesterday were camped out last night along Rajdamnoen Avenue under large tents. The crowds, which have also spilled over onto Pin Klao Bridge, are also blocking many connecting roads on both the Bangkok and Thon Buri sides of the river, causing severe gridlock.

    The pro-Thaksin red-shirts gathered yesterday at Rajamangala Stadium in the Hua Mak area - a considerable distance from the anti-government protests - with the rally scheduled to start at 6pm. As of 8.30pm, red-shirt leaders claimed 60,000 people had converged there.

    Red-shirt leader Yoswarit Chooklom, aka Jeng Dokjik, said protesters were prepared to stay for at least five days.
    However, they said the situation would be evaluated on a daily basis - citing concerns about government stability as the reason.

    In addition to Bangkok residents, the red-shirt movement is made up of a number of factions from the provinces, including Nong Khai, Udon Thani, Chon Buri, Rayong and Nakhon Ratchasima.

    War rooms set up at the Supreme Command are monitoring the protests on Rajdamnoen Avenue around the clock, a military source said.

    The source said military leaders feared that the protests would escalate out of control because the number of people gathered was so large. Suthep might be unable to control the situation, the source, said, citing a concern reportedly expressed by Yingluck.


    -- The Nation 2013-11-25

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    I wonder if Taksin actually said any of that? I am developing a deep mistrust of anything I read in the British press these days, so often I'm finding small misquotes turn into big stories and a lot of the time, just total made up crapola, not saying its not been said by Taksin but wondering??
    Custard should be a colour...cos I could then paint over the mess I've just made!!!

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    Its seems its just trying add fuel on the fire................I really cant see he would be so stupid to say that; thinking it is another thing.............growing plenty do!!!

    This is one fucked up corrupt nation doesn't matter whether yellow or red they all have their nose in the trough

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    Had it been in the Mail or other such paper I wouldn't have posted it. But The Times ???

    Maybe someone with access to the full article can comment further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soupdragon View Post
    On the flip side.

    I can't link the full article as I don't subscribe. I don't think this breaks the taboo of discussing the Monarchy on the forum ?

    Ousted Thai leader Thaksin Shinawatra calls for ?shining? new age after King?s death | The Times

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    Richard Lloyd Parry in Dubai
    Last updated at 12:00AM, November 9 2009

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    Maybe the king will pardon Thaksin on the King's birthday?

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    Thai anti-government protesters occupy finance ministry
    by Thanaporn PROMYAMYAI

    BANGKOK, November 25, 2013 (AFP) - Thai anti-government demonstrators on Monday stormed the finance ministry and threatened to seize more government buildings in a dramatic escalation of their efforts to topple embattled Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra.

    The mass protests against Yingluck and her brother, ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra, are the biggest since 2010 when the kingdom was rocked by its worst political bloodshed in decades with more than 90 civilians killed.

    The turmoil has raised fears of a fresh bout of street violence in a country that has been convulsed by several episodes of political unrest since royalist generals overthrew Thaksin in a coup in 2006.

    Police said around 30,000 protesters opposed to Yingluck's elected government marched on more than a dozen state agencies across the capital on Monday including military and police bases, as well as several television stations.

    Hundreds of demonstrators, spurred on by protest leader Suthep Thaugsuban, occupied buildings in the compound of the finance ministry, waving flags and dancing, according to AFP correspondents at the scene.

    "Tomorrow we will seize all ministries to show to the Thaksin system that they have no legitimacy to run the country," Suthep said, addressing the crowd through a loud speaker.

    Chanting "Thaksin get out, army come in", some of the demonstrators had earlier called for the intervention of the military in a country that has seen 18 actual or attempted coups since it became a constitutional monarchy in 1932.

    The move comes after a boisterous rally on Sunday brought up to 180,000 anti-government demonstrators on to the streets of Bangkok, according to a revised estimate Monday from National Security Council chief Paradorn Pattanatabut.

    Around 50,000 pro-government "Red Shirts" met overnight in a suburban football stadium in Bangkok in support of Yingluck and Thaksin, who remains a hugely divisive figure in Thailand.

    The rallies are the biggest challenge yet for Yingluck, who swept to power in elections in 2011 on a wave of support from the "Red Shirts", whose protests in 2010 were crushed by the previous government.

    Yingluck on Monday told reporters she would neither resign nor dissolve parliament despite the mounting pressure.

    But experts said she is running out of room to manoeuvre.

    "Yingluck's options are very limited. Something has to give this week. It will be very difficult for Yingluck to stay in office, let alone get anything done," said Thitinan Pongsudhirak, director of the Institute of Security and International Studies at Bangkok's Chulalongkorn University.

    The Thai capital has faced weeks of opposition-backed rallies sparked by an amnesty bill that could have allowed the return of Thaksin from self-imposed exile.

    The amnesty bill -- which was rejected by the upper house of parliament -- also angered Thaksin's supporters because it would have pardoned those responsible for the 2010 military crackdown on their rallies.

    Former premier Abhisit Vejjajiva -- now the opposition leader -- and his deputy Suthep face murder charges for overseeing the military operation, which involved soldiers firing live rounds and backed by armoured vehicles.

    In another blow to the government, the Constitutional Court last week blocked the ruling party's plans for a fully elected Senate.
    The opposition Democrat Party is seeking to raise the pressure on Yingluck with a no-confidence debate on Tuesday -- although her party dominates the lower house and should comfortably defeat a move against her.

    Thaksin, a billionaire telecoms tycoon-turned-politician, draws strong support from many of the country's rural and urban working class, but is loathed by the elite and the middle classes, who accuse him of being corrupt and a threat to the monarchy.

    "Yingluck, Thaksin, their party and their corrupt system must go this week," demonstrator Thanabhum Prompraphan, 50, told AFP.

    "This is real people power. We will stay peaceful... whistles are our weapons," he said.

    A series of protests by the royalist "Yellow Shirts" helped to trigger the coup that toppled Thaksin, who now lives in self-imposed exile in Dubai to avoid a prison term for corruption that he contends was politically motivated.
    And the pressure keeps on upping.

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    FFS ... Banana ... well not not a republic ... but Jeeze... not this shite again!

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    Something about the psyche of face seems to make election results hard to accept.. The very basis of democracy is accepting losing is your a minority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K2 View Post
    FFS ... Banana ... well not not a republic ... but Jeeze... not this shite again!

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    A fairly accurate report albeit a little out of sync with Rice and Rubber growers current thoughts.

    The 1st car buyers tax back, another Thaksin vote-buying scheme gone wrong, has seen ~ 500,000 cars repo-ed and more to come. Young city voters aren't happy either.
    Cheers, Rob.

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    Cheers, Rob.

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    Phuket Becomes Invasion Target Today: Thailand's Bangkok Uprising Ripples Out
    By Chutima Sidasathian and Alan Morison
    Wednesday, November 27, 2013

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    PHUKET: Protesters are planning to move to occupy Phuket Provincial Hall today as Thailand's anti-government movement surges into the nation's provinces.

    Protesters in Bangkok have already occupied or surrounded a number of ministries in an effort to strange the rule of Yingluck Shinawatra into submission.



    Today marks a new phase as the protest in Thailand's capital ripples into the countyside.

    Travel advisories to Thailand's tourists are likely to also become more serious if the protests spread for the first time to Phuket, Pattaya, Samui and other holiday destinations.

    Phuket has always been a stronghold of opposition to Yingluck Shinawatra's brother, Thaksin, who is definitely reviled not revered throughout Thailand's south.

    Only token resistance is likely to any move to occupy Phuket's administrative headquarters, as has been the case in Bangkok.

    Last night the provincial HQ in Trang province, further south of Phuket, was taken over peacefully. News that Phuket would also face invasions came via social networks today.

    A man named Surthin Lien-Udom is said to have become the new Phuket leader with the usual figureheads in Bangkok where the Yingluck government is likely to cede to pressure in the streets at any moment.

    There appears no way out for the government amid an upsurge in opposition to Thaksin Shinawatra, who has virtually run Thailand in abstentia from Dubai and Hong Kong since he fled a corruption court judgement in 2006.

    An obvious move to pass an amnesty bill that would have allowed him to return is what triggered the present crisis, and what drove many of his one-time supporters to join the opposition.

    The dispute has blurred the usual ''red'' and ''yellow'' divide and given Thaksin little chance now of recovering his populist power.

    Former Phuket People's Alliance for Democracy leader Aparat Chutikanjon told Phuketwan yesterday that about 500 people from Phuket were in Bangkok for the continuing protests.

    Most of the Phuket demonstrators are middle-aged and peaceful types. However, there is always the danger of sudden, unexpected violence, as occurred in the Bangkok protests of 2010 when 90 people were killed.

    Twenty-three nations have issued advisories about travel in Thailand and the spreading of protests is likely to bring more warnings.

    Although protesters occupied Phuket and Bangkok airports in 2008 in the previous upheaval to depose Thaksin, such a move in 2013 is considered to be out of the question.

    Canadian citizens registered with the Bangkok Embassy were told yesterday by email to ''please note that the Thai Government has expanded the Internal Security Act to include all of Bangkok Capital district, Nonthaburi, Lad Lum Kaew in Pathum Thani and Bang Phli in Samut Prakan (where Suvarnabhumi International Airport is located).

    ''Please share the following important information with other Canadian citizens in your area.

    ''Protest at a number of government ministries and offices are expected to continue.

    ''Canadians should remain vigilant at all times, avoid all demonstrations and large gatherings, follow the advice of local authorities and monitor local media.

    ''We recommend, if possible, that Canadians get in touch with their emergency contacts in Canada to confirm their whereabouts and wellbeing, even if they have not been affected by this event.

    ''We encourage you to stay connected to the latest travel advice and advisories, and can find our emergency contact information at travel.gc.ca, also available via our mobile Travel smart application (Travel Smart Mobile Web App - Travel.gc.ca) or by subscribing to RSS feeds (RSS Feeds - Travel.gc.ca). You can also follow us on Twitter at @TravelGoC or find us on Facebook at www.facebook.com/travelGoC.

    ''Canadian citizens requiring emergency consular assistance can contact the Embassy of Canada in Bangkok at 02-646-4300 or Bangkok-consul@international.gc.ca

    ''For emergency assistance after hours you may communicate with the Emergency Watch and Response Centre (EWRC) in Ottawa by calling the Embassy and following the instructions. You may also reach the EWRC directly by dialing (collect call where available), +1-613-996-8885 or by email at sos@international.gc.ca

    ''Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development Canada''
    Where does this go.. Given another election, its likely that the 'Thaksin regime' would again win.. Maybe closer, maybe needing more coalition partners, more snouts in the trough for handing out prize ministries etc, but highly unlikely for the Dems to gain a majority..

    How many times will they take his affiliated political parties out of government ?? How do they see going forward without a democratic system...

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