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    WTF? Junta alcohol crackdown...?

    I've got to assume this is a joke given the recent comments/attitudes to tourist visa runners and it affecting tourism. If this goes ahead it will do far more damage.

    Main points in my eyes:
    - Strict midnight enforcement (even if you already have a drink)
    - No 'beer girls'
    - No 'happy hours'
    - No 'freebies'


    Junta Cracks Down on Alcohol Promotions

    Junta Cracks Down on Alcohol Promotions

    CityNews staff Aug 26, 2014

    FeaturesCityNews - The junta has warned that it intends to enforce harsh measures regulating the advertising and promotion of alcohol, in a move that will affect thousands of businesses throughout the country.

    An example of an acceptable alcohol advertisement, showing a health warning at the top and a picture of people engaging in a 'socially responsible' activity - in this case, meditation. The orange box in the bottom left corner is where the alcohol brand's logo would be displayed.

    Details of the law, which is vague and open to interpretation, are provided below. The following guidelines were given to CityNews along with around 30 hoteliers and members of the media who were invited to a meeting at the Tarin Hotel yesterday by the Chiang Mai Provincial Public Health Office. The aim of the meeting was to clarify the nuances of the law and give warning as to their immediate enforcement.
    "I am only here to help you, the media and relevant businesses to understand the law," said Second Lieutenant Taweesak Jintajiranan. "This law was put into effect due to the rapidly growing costs of alcohol to this nation. Alcohol-related accidents have increased significantly in recent years. While the government makes 70 billion baht income per year from alcohol tax, the cost to the government is upwards of 150 billion baht."

    He went on to expand on the written law as follows:
    Under the newly enforced rules all alcohol products must carry health warnings, sales are banned to anyone under the age of 20, and initiatives promoting alcohol – such as happy hours, free ice and mixers, and the use of ‘beer girls’ – are banned.
    No drinking is allowed after midnight in bars or restaurants, even though sales have ended; no alcohol logos are allowed on glasses, ashtrays and other paraphernalia; and bars will not be allowed to display posters or bottles – even old ones – featuring such logos.
    Bar staff cannot wear T-shirts with alcohol logos, and it is illegal to promote events such as wine and beer tastings. Alcohol logos - or even images accepted as representative of brands, such as a deer head for Benmore or red stars for Heineken - are not allowed to be displayed in sponsorship or any kind of advertising or promotion.
    Promoting alcohol through word of mouth is also illegal, so if a waiter is asked to recommend a particular brand of beer he would be breaking the law if he responds. All printed photographs of glasses or bottles in the media must have visible brands and logos blurred.
    Officials have also vowed to strictly enforce laws on alcohol advertising. This is expected to have a big effect on media businesses like Citylife, CityNow! and Spoon & Fork, which rely heavily on advertising by hotels and entertainment venues.
    The authorities are using an existing law, the Alcohol Control Act of 2008, to crack down. It was introduced with the aim of reducing consumption, but while some aspects have been in effect for years there are many minor points which, until now, have been ignored by authorities.
    A 70-page Thai-language handbook - a must-read for anyone working in the alcohol industry and related fields - was distributed at the meeting.

    Essentially all promotion of alcohol is now illegal. Here is a breakdown of the laws, some of which were already being enforced but from now on will be universally enforced nationwide.

    For producers and importers of alcohol

    - All alcoholic drinks packaging must carry a clear and government-approved health warning (see example above), and a list of ingredients. It must be stated clearly on the packaging that this is an alcoholic beverage.
    - Consumers cannot drink in the following areas: temples or religious places (unless alcohol is used in religious ceremonies), public spaces belonging to the government (except for private residences within said area), government buildings (apart from club houses, special designated areas for commerce and private residences, or during special events), within education centres (apart from residences, parties or clubs, or if the education centre is teaching how to mix alcohol), petrol or gas stations, public parks, and anywhere else the government announces at any date.
    - Alcohol cannot be sold on the Makhabucha, Visakabucha, Asarahabucha and Khao Pansa religious holidays, except from in hotels in order to promote tourism and stimulate the economy.
    - No sales are allowed to anyone aged under 20 years, or anyone who is obviously drunk.
    - No sales of alcoholic beverages are allowed by automated machines, non-location-specific sales are banned (ie. no mobile bars or wandering around selling), and no promotions, offering rights, points, lucky draws or awards and no freebies of any kind including swaps and exchanges are allowed.

    Advertising

    - No images of alcoholic drinks, including photography, and logos in any language which “invite” the public to drink alcohol are allowed.

    - For television, movies, video, electronic formats and all advertising mediums showing images, logos must not be bigger than 5 percent of all advertising space. The time in which the logo is shown cannot be more than 5 percent of total advertising time and no longer than two seconds. Advertising can only be done between 10pm and 5am, and the logos can only be shown at the end of the advertisement.

    - For print media, advertisements containing alcohol logos cannot be more than 5 percent of all advertising space, and advertising cannot be on front or back of publications, nor the middle fold.

    - For other media (websites), logos cannot be larger than 3 percent of advertising space.

    Adverts must include one of five permissible warning messages. According to our translations, they are as follows: Alcohol can cause cancer; alcohol can lower sexual abilities; alcohol may lead to paralysis or death; alcohol is the cause of argument and crime; alcohol damages families and societies.

    For television, movies, videos, electronic or all advertising mediums showing images: Sound or text warnings must be perfectly clear down to each syllable and last no more than two seconds. In text version, the ‘Super’ text must be in Thai Angsana New Bold or similar fonts in white on a black background, which is clear to read. The text must be no less in size than one-third of the black frame, which must be clearly different in colour from the advertisement image and in a square size no less than one quarter of the advertising space, and cover the entire top of the advert. The same applies to printed media.

    Rights of inspecting officials

    - Officials can enter the premises of producers or importers of alcohol during working hours and inspect premises and vehicles.

    - They can confiscate alcohol of producers or importers who are not compliant with this law.

    - They can send summonses for people or evidence.

    - They must show an ID card each time.

    - Members of the public must be of assistance to inspectors.
    Punishments
    Fines range between 2,500 for non-cooperation with inspectors and 500,000 baht if beverage companies promote and advertise their alcohol illegally. There are also punishments of up to six months in jail for various offences.
    After the meeting, participants asked for clarification of the laws, and here are some of the details provided by Second Lieutenant Taweesak which may be of relevance:
    All promotion of alcoholic consumption is illegal. It is no longer legal to offer any winnings or prizes in relation to alcoholic beverages; all drinks must be sold at normal costs and no gifts, exchanges of goods or discounts of any kind are allowed.
    Encouraging people to try an alcoholic drink is not allowed - no inviting people to sample alcohol. No more three-for-two promotions, no more free mixers, free ice, no more beer promotion girls, no written or even spoken promotions or discounts are allowed. No alcohol logos on plates, cups, vases, or anything commercial are allowed. No posters (even old ones) of any alcohol bottles or glasses with logos - or logos themselves - or any other decorative items in a bar or pub or establishment selling alcohol.
    If you wear a T-shirt or apparel with an alcohol logo on it and happen to be serving in a bar at the same time, it is considered an advertisement, and that is illegal. When asked to clarify, Taweesak suggested the media ask shops selling such T-shirts to stop doing so.
    No old bottles of wines or beer can be used to decorate a business. No drinking is allowed in cars, while riding bicycles, and no drinking after midnight is allowed, even though sales have stopped. No word of mouth promotions, so servers are not allowed to recommend particular brands.

    Anyone who is an alcoholic can ask for support. For further details please contact:
    The Office of Alcohol Control Committee
    Department of Disease Control, Ministry of Public Health
    Address: 88/21 Moo 4 Tiwanon Road, Nonthaburi 11000
    Tel. 0-25903342, 0-25903035
    Fax. 0-25914668, 0-25903015
    Website: www.thaiantialcohol.com

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    You almost want to check if its April 1st..

    Midnight and bedtime.. And alcohol adverts with pictures of meditating nuns.. Are we in the same Thailand I know ??

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    This bit at the end is also very open ended and has big implications:

    Quote Originally Posted by Nutjob
    all drinks must be sold at normal costs and no gifts, exchanges of goods or discounts of any kind are allowed.


    Does that mean Lady Drinks will be the same cost as it would be to a normal customer? Also you can't give anyone a drink???

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    Well we did warn the junta worshipers be careful what you wish for

    I seriously can't see this taking hold......first it was the sandwiches now it's the beer 555555

    can you imagine Thailand without a Singha Chang Tiger Heineken girl

    it's some mad cap loony scheme on a daily basis at the moment
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    Now look at the photo again and imagine they are reading a certain banned book by Orwell…. oh dear!! I guess this is what happens when the legislature throws on all kinds of laws and then selectively enforces them, and then anybody can interpret from letter of the law to intent (such as keep clean or we will start really enforcing this), and then it becomes a little odd. I mean, they did really enforce some of it already (like the smoking laws and 7/11 can't display packets, alcohol adverts not really allowed for a while) so who knows. It doesn't strike me as an non-drinking society due to religion and that is what usually is the enabler in draconian applications of drinking laws, imo.

    On the other hand, it seems a Chiang Mai article and we can recall what happened recently in Hua Hin with the passport-carrying issue, so nothing is really sure yet.

    Except that this place (Bangkok) is already a little less fun with the 2am enforcement, going to 12am and all the other ideas would have an impact on tourism for sure. With all the crazy random alcohol-ban days already, I can't imagine Phuket raging until 12am and stopping lol, while maintaining the same level of tourism.

    By the way, how is the beach chair ban working out? I used to like to rent a chair, was mad when it went from 50 to 100 then sometimes 200 for the pair, etc., but generally preferred that to sitting on the beach directly.

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    more looney toons chapters from the hypocritical patronage.....
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    There is no way on gods earth theres going to be a midnight closure of all bars and the above enacted nationwide..

    The howls of protest from the (yellow) brewing families far richer than Thaksin ever was would be heard around the world.. You think the Junta will be doing that to its financiers and the richest families in the country ?? Of course not..

    But when you tolerate unelected power.. Power that doesnt have to answer to the will of the people.. Well, its dangerous.

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    Don't worry boys, you'll get your nightcaps..............At least all articles these days are one sided 5555
    A blowjob is better than no job!!

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    Can't see anything over on Bangkok post or the nation yet.

    Would you all still go if they enforced this? I probably would.

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    the midnight closing ,if enforced would be a tourist killer!

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    I love the part about consumers not being able to drink on public land.

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    Never going to happen.
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    The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up.

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    Could it be that this is just a piece of Anti Junta journalism that some seem to lap up without question. A quick search shows that the only publication carrying this story is the Chang Mai City News, home of the Reds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soupdragon View Post
    Could it be that this is just a piece of Anti Junta journalism that some seem to lap up without question. A quick search shows that the only publication carrying this story is the Chang Mai City News, home of the Reds.
    I hope you are right about that! I think the last thing anyone wants is what that story outlines

    I'm seriously beginning to wonder about TV Forum, I know this one wasn't them, but it looks to me like they deliberately fuel uncertainty and controversy to drive clicks and advertising revenue and added to that every thread seems to be full of bitter twisted fucks who ruin every thread to the point it becomes unreadable
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geespot View Post
    I hope you are right about that! I think the last thing anyone wants is what that story outlines

    I'm seriously beginning to wonder about TV Forum, I know this one wasn't them, but it looks to me like they deliberately fuel uncertainty and controversy to drive clicks and advertising revenue and added to that every thread seems to be full of bitter twisted fucks who ruin every thread to the point it becomes unreadable
    Baz gets around....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geespot View Post
    I'm seriously beginning to wonder about TV Forum, I know this one wasn't them, but it looks to me like they deliberately fuel uncertainty and controversy to drive clicks and advertising revenue and added to that every thread seems to be full of bitter twisted fucks who ruin every thread to the point it becomes unreadable
    Agreed.. I have noticed this also and have also seem them hold controversial info for thursday friday for high weekend traffic.. When no one can confirm or deny anything until the following week.

    This was actually seen not on TV tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billpay View Post
    Never going to happen.
    Agreed..

    Theres only so much you can change about the Thai national character in a small period of time..

    No beer girls.. I mean come on..

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    I said this 3 months ago...

    First it's beach bars, then it's pole dancing, then it's short time rooms, then it's ??

    Back to Cabo I guess...
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    Quote Originally Posted by soupdragon View Post
    Could it be that this is just a piece of Anti Junta journalism that some seem to lap up without question. A quick search shows that the only publication carrying this story is the Chang Mai City News, home of the Reds.
    Really ?? Thats getting like Macarthyism.. Seeing those 'reds' sneaking in every where you look..

    And now, from that bastion of the Red menace, the Phuket News..

    Tougher use of alcohol promotion laws coming soon to Phuket
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