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    Non Imm B only 90 days single entry *new development

    9 years consecutively from the Houston consulate I have been "granted" the Non Imm B visa based on all required papers etc. I own an Amity Treaty company here in Thailand since 2007. Direct contact with consulate confirms they can only now issue 90-day single entry.

    With the express knowledge that they want you to return to home country for visas, seriously, this is a huge deal!

    Just had word today, so not sure if options to explore yet. Why, if you own a business with all papers in order, could you only be granted 90 days? Hmmm

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    Yeah I heard this recently too.. No more multiple entry in the west unless a lot more data presented.

    The point seems to be they want you to get a single, then extend incountry, with all the restrictions that has (4 Thai staff, office photos, tax records, etc). Someone I know who has had work permits for years is now looking to shut down because he wont comply with the extension rules, simply too much cost to remain viable. He is able to move to a retirement visa and so all its doing is closing the business and unemploying more people.
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    I still stick with the claim that they simply dont want us here. Look at how they are "cracking down" all over the place. While I do agree that there are a few deadbeats around that overstay illegally and dont contribute much financially, I'd say on the whole 90% of the long term farang stayers in Thailand are not only self supporting, but often support a Thai partner (and by proxy, her family) as well. The powers that be dont care about that though... they want you to come for vacation, have a few weeks here, then leave.

    I have a friend who has a solid theory that it's about not wanting people inside Thailand that see through the bullshit and tell the outside world... or tell their Thai friends or neighbors. The she-wok says all the news reports is small, petty and violent crime... all in an effort to show all the crime the police are fighting and why they are so important to Thai society. She says she's never known a policeman irl who would get off his ass unless he was being bribed to do so. And the stories we farangs tend to hear about... censored journalists, re-education centers, the foreign worker scapegoats... not a peep about that. I asked her if they talked about all the old folks being arrested in Pattaya for playing Bridge. Nope. I asked if they ever mentioned the long list of previous leaders sent to military bases to be taught how to think properly. Nope. Just petty yaba busts, girls getting raped, and how the police and military are the heroes who are fighting to restore order and pride to Thailand.

    So yeah, maybe my friend's theory holds a bit of water... they just dont want people here long enough to see through their BS...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WarProfiteer View Post
    I still stick with the claim that they simply dont want us here. Look at how they are "cracking down" all over the place. While I do agree that there are a few deadbeats around that overstay illegally and dont contribute much financially, I'd say on the whole 90% of the long term farang stayers in Thailand are not only self supporting, but often support a Thai partner (and by proxy, her family) as well. The powers that be dont care about that though... they want you to come for vacation, have a few weeks here, then leave.

    I have a friend who has a solid theory that it's about not wanting people inside Thailand that see through the bullshit and tell the outside world... or tell their Thai friends or neighbors. The she-wok says all the news reports is small, petty and violent crime... all in an effort to show all the crime the police are fighting and why they are so important to Thai society. She says she's never known a policeman irl who would get off his ass unless he was being bribed to do so. And the stories we farangs tend to hear about... censored journalists, re-education centers, the foreign worker scapegoats... not a peep about that. I asked her if they talked about all the old folks being arrested in Pattaya for playing Bridge. Nope. I asked if they ever mentioned the long list of previous leaders sent to military bases to be taught how to think properly. Nope. Just petty yaba busts, girls getting raped, and how the police and military are the heroes who are fighting to restore order and pride to Thailand.

    So yeah, maybe my friend's theory holds a bit of water... they just dont want people here long enough to see through their BS...
    I think that's certainly a part of it… I also think they REALLY don't want anyone competing with a Thai for MONEY. However, being as famously short-sighted as they are, they'd rather have a bunch of Thais unemployed than have a foreigner taking any of THEIR money. These people are ABSOLUTELY capable of strangling the goose that lays those eggs , after which they'll find a foreigner to blame for it.

    What I can't figure out is how the Indians and Arabs seem to operate so many businesses with seeming impunity. My impression is that the Thais hold them in even lower regard than us….
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    "They got the metric system over there… they wouldn't know what the fcuk a quarter-pounder is…"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easycpl View Post

    What I can't figure out is how the Indians and Arabs seem to operate so many businesses with seeming impunity. My impression is that the Thais hold them in even lower regard than us….
    Don't forget the Nepalese.

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    Any recent updates on the Thailand Elite card? So I guess 500k for 5 years, some added renewal and maybe reporting expenses but at about $3k usd per year, it is a bit cheaper than running a company/ work permit option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fish View Post
    Don't forget the Nepalese.
    Many of the Nepalese and Indians are in effect Thai i.e. born in Thailand. Most of the Nana area in BKK for example is owned by Indian / Thai's

    I would guess tailoring is some sort of specialised skill that allows work permit and business for non Thai citizens. i cant see how they would get special treatment beyond that

    Maybe the basic thinking of a non business multi entry is it's intended for people doing business with or supporting Thai companies. If you are already resident in Thailand then surely a business visa and work permit is all that is required unless as part of your job you need to travel outside Thailand alot. I assume in that instance it would be easy enough to get the multiple entry or re entry stamp as required

    I think the big issue will be for people who had non b business visa without a work permit to just go back and forward as they see fit. I cant think of many countries that allow that without proving the need

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    ^Cambodia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robaht View Post
    Any recent updates on the Thailand Elite card? So I guess 500k for 5 years, some added renewal and maybe reporting expenses but at about $3k usd per year, it is a bit cheaper than running a company/ work permit option.
    Is that still the cost? Why do I seem to recall the price increasing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarProfiteer View Post
    Is that still the cost? Why do I seem to recall the price increasing?
    Still the price on their website. I'm leaning toward closing my company and getting that. I have one more avenue to explore but for the people who have done the 500k option, I am reading good reviews and experiences. Still seems crazy to have to pay $15k to live here considering I'm spending about $5-6k per month here with rent, purchases like motorbike, my company accounting costs, fees, temp staff and visas ... And big nights out on the town! Plus the 200 baht every time I withdraw money GRRR!! I guess Chinese tour groups are more are more attractive to the Thai government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarProfiteer View Post
    Is that still the cost? Why do I seem to recall the price increasing?
    The lifetime package wen from true lifetime and resellable.. for a million.. To 30 years and sellable once ?? for 2 mil.. While various cuts to the assured service were made and I think an annual fee introduced also. It also has family options.

    The 500k package is for 5 years.. no family options I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robaht View Post
    Still the price on their website. I'm leaning toward closing my company and getting that. I have one more avenue to explore but for the people who have done the 500k option, I am reading good reviews and experiences. Still seems crazy to have to pay $15k to live here considering I'm spending about $5-6k per month here with rent, purchases like motorbike, my company accounting costs, fees, temp staff and visas ... And big nights out on the town! Plus the 200 baht every time I withdraw money GRRR!! I guess Chinese tour groups are more are more attractive to the Thai government.
    Have you got no other 'bent' options were you are ?? I heard hua hin had a 'pay the fee' annual deal being offered.. Up here the military police will sort you a 1 year ED visa for learning self defense, they dont care if you come and the immigration are bowing down to thm and you when you go get given it.. Only 32k a year..

    Wasnt long ago when people were selling those APEC cards, based out of hong kong, 90 days a visit for 3 or 5 years ?? Those were going for just 12k baht from the boiler room types around Suk..

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    Quote Originally Posted by LivinLOS View Post
    Have you got no other 'bent' options were you are ?? I heard hua hin had a 'pay the fee' annual deal being offered.. Up here the military police will sort you a 1 year ED visa for learning self defense, they dont care if you come and the immigration are bowing down to thm and you when you go get given it.. Only 32k a year..

    Wasnt long ago when people were selling those APEC cards, based out of hong kong, 90 days a visit for 3 or 5 years ?? Those were going for just 12k baht from the boiler room types around Suk..
    Well, I have an APEC card but it is issued from USA that says you need to have the visas so no big advantage other than fast track lanes at immigration. I think a bigger issue is I leave Thailand at least 1 time per month, so some of the deals available fall down because it isn't extensions.

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    You dont get 90 days per entry on the APEC card ??

    I could live with 4 visa runs a year to save 500k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LivinLOS View Post
    You dont get 90 days per entry on the APEC card ??

    I could live with 4 visa runs a year to save 500k.
    Everywhere I look it seems the USA card only gives the fast track entry, I can't find where they would give you 90-days..say for example that you arrived on a "transit visa". Would be nice.

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    Then I have really miss understood what that card does... Sorry

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    APEC card update - Thai visas, residency and work permits - Thailand Forum

    The APEC card allows a 90 day entry verses a 30 day entry. That alone is a big benefit.
    EDIT and immediately after

    The APEC card (pandanticaly, the ABTC - APEC Business Traveler Card) issued by the US does not provide any of the visa benefits as the US does not provide reciprocal visa free entry. If you look on the back, there should be no countries under the "Valid for travel to" heading.

    However, it is still good for priority immigration and security lines. I have recently used my US card for this at Beijing, Taipei, and BKK. Beijing was nice because it got me past a 45 min queue at immigration. I do have an extension of stay for working in Thailand, so I don't know how it would work out if you tried visa exempt with it.
    Seems all APEC cards are not the same.. The ones they were selling in sukhumvit, were in the Hong Kong system, claiming you were a hong kong PR (which is why you didnt have to be a citizen of the host country, which I understand you do for all the other APEC members) and you got 90 day entries.
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    Correct Sefton

    But from what I remember that source dried up as they couldn't replicate the new design of the cards.

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    Unsure.. been a while since I was in that bar..

    All I meant was theres usually options.. As said up here we can go buy a 1 year Ed from the military.. The handler walks you into immigration, to the front of the queue, and your stamped for your year with a wai in 15 minutes.. If I was under pressure for a visa, I would probably do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robaht View Post
    9 years consecutively from the Houston consulate I have been "granted" the Non Imm B visa based on all required papers etc. I own an Amity Treaty company here in Thailand since 2007. Direct contact with consulate confirms they can only now issue 90-day single entry.

    With the express knowledge that they want you to return to home country for visas, seriously, this is a huge deal!

    Just had word today, so not sure if options to explore yet. Why, if you own a business with all papers in order, could you only be granted 90 days? Hmmm
    With my Non B I initially got a 90 day to give me time to get a work permit, once I had it I then got a 1 year Non B

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